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Sarah Day |
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Sarah Halliday? |
Marriage = Oakham in Rutland 25 Aug 1815 |
John Kilby Green 1790-1860 |
Marriage = Unknown ?? ??? 18?? |
Susannah Dimmock 1812?-1857 |
John
Green? 1818- |
Susannah
Green? 1830?- |
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John Green 1832-1832 |
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John
Kilby Green (1) 1833-1833 |
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Sarah
Green 1835- |
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John
Kilby Green (2) 1837-1891 |
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George
James Green 1838-1910 |
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William Henry Green 1842-1846 |
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Clara
Green 1845- |
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Ellen
Green 1848- |
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1851- |
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John Kilby Green was baptised on 2nd May 1790
at Ayot St Peter in rural Hertfordshire, the son of James Green and his wife
Sarah.
His name was spelt with an “e” in Kilb(e)y, but this was
the only time this spelling was used.
It is believed his birthday was 15th April
1790.
(Source Ayot St Peter Herts
DP/11)
No other records have been found for James and Sarah Green, other than a possible marriage in Ayot St Peter in October 1785, between James Green and Sarah Day.
(Ayot St Peter, as engraved by JK Green)
In his interview with Henry Mayhew in 1850, William West
stated that “a Prentice
of the name of Green, who worked at Mr. Simkin's, an engraver in Denmark-court”
had engraved for him. It is highly possible that Green was either apprenticed
to West at some stage or worked for him. The fact that Green managed to produce
the same works as West, but with an earlier date suggests that he had access to
West’s drawings and engravings. When Green later claimed to be the “Original
Inventor” he declared that he had established his business in 1808. Was this
when he was with Mr Simkin’s or was this when he may have been with West. An
apprenticeship usually lasted for 6 years and it would have been highly likely
that Green commenced his apprenticeship at the age of 13 or 14, so if he really
started his own business in 1808 he would only have been 18 and still in his
apprenticeship period. I suspect that Green’s claim to have started in 1808 was
a slight exaggeration and he more likely commenced business nearer 1810 or even
1811. Green’s first known works appear with an imprint date of 1811.
Green continued printing in
London until 1814, with his last production “Tiger Horde”, which he produced in
collaboration with Mr Slee, but soon afterwards JK Green disappeared. He did
not return to the printing trade until 1832, when works started to appear again
with the imprint of JK Green. Until very recently it had only been conjecture
as to what happened in the “missing” years, but it now appears highly likely
that Green joined the army and at some point was stationed near Rutland.
1st MARRIAGE
On the 25th August 1815 there was an entry for
a marriage between John Kilby Green and Sarah Halliday at Oakham in Rutland.
The coincidence is too much to be considered as any other John Kilby Green. The
signature, although no comparison exists, is that of an educated man with a
degree of flamboyance that stands out in the letter “K” (see above). Just the
sort of person who could have been an engraver.
Follow this with the birth a possible son, John Green,
baptised at the same church and described as the son of John Green (a soldier)
& wife Sarah.
The fact that this John Green was a soldier adds credence
to the joining the army theory.
(Source Oakham
DE2694/4)
After 1818 the trail for John Kilby Green runs cold.
Nothing more is know of him until his re-appearance at 3 George Street in
Walworth in 1832. (The search continues…)
What happened to wife Sarah and their son John is not
known? Perhaps JK Green returned from overseas posting to find that his wife
had possibly died and his son flown the nest. Perhaps he didn’t return to them
at all and left them ignorant of his own fate.
2nd MARRIAGE
In 1832 we find John Kilby Green back in London and printing
again. He was living at 3 George Street in Walworth, with his young bride
Susannah Green, nee Dimmock, this assumes that he in fact married her. So far
no marriage has been located. From the 1841 Census, Susannah was born outside
of Surrey and the 1851 Census shown her to be born in Ipswich in Suffolk.
THE CHILDREN OF THE INVENTOR
From his first marriage it is believed there may have been just the one child, John. There is a Susannah Green that appears on the 1841 Census living with JK Green, but at the age of 11, she seemed that she was too old to be the daughter of the union between JK Green and Susannah Dimmock. However, his second marriage was far more productive with no less than ten children arriving on the scene. It would appear from the 1841 Census that Susannah Green (nee Dimmock) was only 25 years old. However I believe she was much nearer to being 29 years old, especially when we later learned that she was probably born 1812 being 45 when she died in 1857. This means that she would have been just 18 when the younger Susannah was born. As yet no baptism record has been has been found for Susannah. A baptismal record has been found for John Green in 1832 born to JK Green and Susannah his wife, so making it far more likely.
Parish Record |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Parents |
Father’s Occupation |
Address |
Baptism |
Camberwell |
John Green |
25th March 1832 |
John Kilby & Susannah Green |
Engraver |
Camberwell |
Unfortunately this John Green junior died 17 months later. The burial records show the following entry:-.
Parish Record (Page 56 No. 443) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Address |
Age |
Burial |
St Mary, Newington |
John Green |
30th June 1833 |
George Street |
17 Months |
Parish Record (Page 32 No.s 252 & 253) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Parents |
Father’s Occupation |
Address |
Baptism |
St Mary, Newington |
Sarah Green |
13th May 1835 (Born 19th October 1833) |
John Kilvy & Susanna Green |
Engraver |
George Street (Brandon Street) |
Baptism |
St Mary, Newington |
John Kilvy Green |
13th May 1835 (Born 10th March 1835) |
John Kilvy & Susanna Green |
Engraver |
George Street (Brandon Street) |
Unfortunately this second John Kilby Green junior also died just four months later.
Parish Record (Page 56 No. 443 – same reference as John Green who died in 1833) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Address |
Age |
Burial |
St Mary, Newington |
John Kilby Green |
24th July 1835 |
Bedford Street |
4 Months 11 Days |
Bedford Street must have been a short term residence as it was never listed on any of JK Green’s imprints.
It was common practice of the time, to name the next child after an earlier child that had died, so it came as no surprise to find a third John Kilby Green born to JK Green and his wife Susannah.
Parish Record (Page 93 No. 738) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Parents |
Father’s Occupation |
Address |
Baptism |
St Mary, Newington |
John Kilby Green |
30th June 1837 (Born 22nd September 1836) |
John Kilby & Susanna Green |
Engraver |
Salisbury Place |
Lambeth Square, St Mary, Lambeth, Surrey
Names
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Born
in Surrey
|
John Green |
50 |
Engraver |
No |
John Green |
4 |
Yes |
|
George Green |
2 |
Yes |
|
Susannah Green |
25 |
No |
|
Susannah Green |
11 |
No |
|
Sarah Green |
7 |
Yes |
This shows that there is a Susannah Green aged 11, therefore born about 1830. Because JK Green’s wife Susannah Green was only 25 in 1841 and even allowing for the rounding which took place in the 1841 Census (down to the nearest 5 years over the age of 15) Susannah must have been younger than 30. It is possible that this Susannah was their first child or maybe she was the child from his first marriage. Until we find the marriage of JK Green and Susannah we can’t be sure.
Parish Record (Page 174 No.s 1385, 1386 & 1387) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Parents |
Father’s Occupation |
Address |
Baptism |
St Mary, Newington |
George James Green |
12th October 1845 (Born 21st October 1838) |
John Kilby & Susanna Green |
Printer |
Park Place, East Street |
Baptism |
St Mary, Newington |
William Henry Green |
12th October 1845 (Born 16th August 1842) |
John Kilby & Susanna Green |
Printer |
Park Place, East Street |
Baptism |
St Mary, Newington |
Clara Green |
12th October 1845 (Born 10th April 1845) |
John Kilby & Susanna Green |
Printer |
Park Place, East Street |
GRO Index Entry |
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Type |
Quarter/Year |
Name |
Age |
District |
Ref |
Birth |
Sept 1842 |
William Henry Green |
N/A |
Lambeth |
4 293 |
Death |
Sept 1846 |
William Henry Green |
N/A |
Lambeth |
4 247 |
Parish Record (Page 88 No. 698) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Address |
Age |
Burial |
St Mary, Newington |
William Kilby Green |
5th August 1846 |
Thurlow Place, Walworth Common |
4 Years |
William Henry Green, seems to have had a posthumous name change to William Kilby Green.
On 10th
April 1845 Clara Green was born at 16 Park Place, East Street, Walworth.
Father = John
Kilby Green – Printer
Mother = Susannah
Green formerly Dimmock
Informant was John
Kilby Green – Father – 16 Park Place, East Street, Walworth
(Source Birth Certificate)
Parish Record (Page 194) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Parents |
Father’s Occupation |
Address |
Baptism |
St Mary, Newington |
Ellen Green |
15th November 1848 (Born 17th September 1848) |
John Kilby & Susannah Green |
Engraver |
Thurlow Place |
9 Thurlow Place, Walworth, Surrey
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
John Kilbey Green |
Head |
61 |
Historical Engraver |
Ayot-St-Peter, Hertfordshire |
Susanna Green |
Wife |
40 |
Ipswich, Suffolk |
|
Sarah Green |
Daur |
12 |
Scholar at home |
Walworth |
John Green |
Son |
10 |
Scholar at home |
Walworth |
George Green |
Son |
8 |
Scholar at home |
Walworth |
Clara Green |
Daur |
4 |
Walworth |
|
Ellen Green |
Daur |
2 |
Walworth |
(All the children seem to have lost a few years, as their ages shown do not tally with dates of birth or the 1841 census. It is suspected that either this is a transcription error or more likely, JK Green was a little unclear when filling in the Census Return.)
Parish Record (Page 164 No. 1309) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Parents |
Father’s Occupation |
Address |
Baptism |
St Mary, Newington |
Phoebe Green |
25th December 1851 (Born 18th November 1851) |
John Kilby & Susannah Green |
Printer |
Thurlow Place |
John Kilby Green junior appears to have joined the Navy in
August 1854 for a ten year stint aboard HMS Waterloo. This explains why I have
so far failed to find him on the 1861 Census.
Parish Record (Page 64-Entry No.509) |
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Type |
Church |
Name |
Address |
Date |
Age |
Burial |
St Mary, Newington |
Susannah Green |
Thurlow Place |
26th August 1857 |
45 |
On 21st
August 1857 Susannah Green died aged 45, of 9 Thurlow Place.
Her occupation was
given as “Wife of John Green – Copper Plate Engraver”
The Cause of death
was given as Bronchitis (3 months).
Informant to the
Death was “John Green, present at the
death of 8 Thurlow Place, Walworth”
(It appears odd that the address given by John Green was 8 Thurlow Place?)
(Source – Susannah Green - Death Certificate)
On 29th
February 1860 John Kilby Green died at 29 Thurlow Place, Walworth Common. He
was 70 years old.
Cause of death was
Natural Paralysis & General Decay
There was a
coroner’s inquest (held on 6th March 1860), which was surprising for
such an ordinary death of a 70 year old.
(Source – John Kilby Green - Death Certificate)
6 Chatham Place, Newington, Surrey
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
George James Green |
Head |
22 |
Printer Copperplate |
Surrey, Southwark |
The Banns were published to announce the marriage of George James
Green and Jessie Emma Reynolds on 19th January 1862, however no
marriage took place immediately afterwards.
Why no marriage took place at this time is not known, but it
may have had something to do with the birth or expected birth of George James
Green (junior), which took place around 1862 to 1863.
29 Chatham Street, St Mary, Newington, Surrey
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
George J Green |
Head |
31 |
Printer Co.Plate |
Surrey, Newington |
Jessie E Green |
Wife |
30 |
Middlesex, St Clement |
|
George J Green |
Son |
8 |
Scholar |
Surrey, Newington |
Alfred E J Green |
Son |
4 |
Scholar |
Surrey, Newington |
Jessie C Green |
Dau |
14m |
|
Surrey, Newington |
The Banns were published to announce the marriage of George
James Green and Jessie Emma Reynolds on 14th, 21st &
28th May 1871, this time the marriage did go ahead.
Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of St Mary, Lambeth in the County of Surrey |
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Date |
Names |
Age |
Condition |
Occupation |
Abode |
Father |
Father’s Occupation |
14th July |
George James Green |
Full Age |
Bachelor |
Printer |
East Street |
John Kilby Green (dec’d) |
Engraver |
1871 |
Jessie Emma Reynolds |
Full Age |
Spinster |
|
East Street |
Abraham Ives Reynolds (dec’d) |
Printer |
(Source – Marriage Certificate)
Charles Frederick Green’s birth certificate. He was born on 7th January 1881 at 100 Rodney Road, Trinity Newington in the County of Surrey. His father was George James Green, a commercial traveller and Jessie was shown as Jessie Emma Green, formerly Reynolds.
Extract of 1881 Census Return (RG11-0550 Folio No.59)
100 Rodney Road, St Mary, Newington, Surrey
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
George James Green |
Head |
42 |
Newsagent |
Newington |
Jessie E Green |
Wife |
40 |
Strand, Middlesex |
|
George J Green |
Son |
18 |
Rivetter, Boiler Maker |
Newington |
Alfred E J Green |
Son |
14 |
Printer’s Machine Boy |
Newington |
Jessie C Green |
Dau |
12 |
Scholar |
Newington |
James Green |
Son |
9 |
Scholar |
Newington |
William Green |
Son |
7 |
Scholar |
Newington |
Henry Green |
Son |
5 |
Scholar |
Newington |
John K Green |
Son |
3 |
|
Newington |
Charles Green |
Son |
3m |
|
Newington |
Extract of 1891 Census Return (RG12-0363 Page No.12)
98 Rodney Road, St Mary, Newington, Surrey
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
George James Green |
Head |
58 |
Newsagent |
Walworth |
Jessie E Green |
Wife |
50 |
St Clement Danes |
|
Alfred E J Green |
Son |
24 |
Printer’s Machine Minder |
Walworth |
James R Green |
Son |
23 |
Printer’s Machine Minder |
Walworth |
Jessie C Green |
Dau |
20 |
Boot Fitter |
Walworth |
William Green |
Son |
16 |
Printer Layer On |
Walworth |
Henry Green |
Son |
14 |
Printer Layer On |
Walworth |
John K Green |
Son |
13 |
Printer Reader |
Walworth |
Charles Green |
Son |
10 |
Scholar |
Walworth |
Extract of 1901 Census Return (RG13-0381 Folio 61 Page No.11)
98 & 100 Rodney Road, St Mary, Newington, Surrey
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
George J Green |
Head |
62 |
Newsagent |
London, Newington |
Jessie E Green |
Wife |
60 |
London, Strand |
|
James R Green |
Son |
28 |
Factory Machine Minder |
London, Newington |
John K Green |
Son |
23 |
Printer Compositor |
London, Newington |
Charles F Green |
Son |
20 |
Factory Machine Monder |
London, Newington |
George James Green died on 8th November 1910
(Source – Death Certificate)
JOHN KILBY GREEN
(junior)
In August 1854, JK Green (junior) joined the Navy aboard HMS Waterloo on a minimum of ten years service.
No record found for 1861 Census.
GRO Index Entry |
|||||
Type |
Quarter/Year |
Name |
Age |
District |
Ref |
Marriage |
March 1811 |
John Kilby Green = Louisa Elizabeth Feast |
N/A |
Holborn |
1b 754 |
Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of City Road Chapel, Holborn in the County of London |
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Date |
Names |
Age |
Condition |
Occupation |
Abode |
Father |
Father’s Occupation |
24th January |
John Kilby Green |
Bachelor |
Printer |
John Kilby Green (dec’d) |
Engraver |
||
1871 |
Louisa Elizabeth Feast |
Spinster |
|
4 New Mint Buildings, St Lukes, Middlesex
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
John K Green |
Head |
29 |
Shopman |
Lock Field, Walworth |
Louisa Green |
Wife |
27 |
Tower St, City |
4 Castle Street, Middlesex
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
John Green |
Head |
40 |
Whitewasher |
None given |
Louise Green |
Wife |
32 |
None given |
|
John Green |
Son |
9 |
|
None given |
Matilda Green |
Son |
6 |
|
None given |
George Green |
Son |
4 |
|
None given |
Alfred Green |
Son |
2 |
|
None given |
Parish Record |
||||||
Type |
Church |
Name |
Date |
Parents |
Father’s Occupation |
Address |
Baptism |
Holy Trinity, Lincoln Inn Fields |
Susannah Green |
28th July 1889 (Born 12th July 1889 |
John Kilby & Louisa Green |
Toy Maker |
19 Shelton Street |
GRO Index Entry |
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Type |
Quarter/Year |
Name |
Age |
District |
Ref |
Death |
March 1891 |
John Kilbey Green |
49 |
Strand |
1b 481 |
8 Russell Court, St Martins in the Field, Middlesex
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
Louise E Green |
Wife |
48 |
Charwoman |
Cambridgeshire |
John K Green |
Son |
19 |
Hawker |
London, St Luke |
George A Green |
Son |
14 |
Dipper |
London, St Luke |
Mary Green |
Dau |
7 |
|
London, St Luke |
Susanna Green |
Dau |
1 |
|
London, St Luke |
CLARA
GREEN
No record found for 1861 Census.
Charlotte Buildings, Holborn, Middlesex
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
James Steer |
Head |
27 |
Bricklayer’s Labourer (unemployed) |
Guildford, Surrey |
Clara Steer |
Wife |
25 |
Toy Maker |
Walworth, Surrey |
(Note Clara’s occupation of “Toy Maker”)
GRO Index Entry |
|||||
Type |
Quarter/Year |
Name |
Age |
District |
Ref |
Marriage |
Dec 1871 |
Clara Green = James Steer |
N/A |
Holborn |
1b 999 |
Although shown as married on the 1871 Census, they didn’t actually marry until the final quarter of 1871. This appears to be the norm around this time, as I have found more than 10 occurrences of such practices.
250 Grays Inn Road, London, Middlesex
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
James Steer |
Head |
39 |
General Labourer |
Guildford, Surrey |
Clara Steer |
Wife |
35 |
Toy Maker |
Walworth, Surrey |
Albert J Steer |
Son |
4 |
Scholar |
Clerkenwell, Surrey |
(Note Clara’s occupation of “Toy Maker”)
25 Sultan Street, Beckenham, Kent
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
James Steer |
Head |
49 |
Labourer |
Guildford, Surrey |
Clara Steer |
Wife |
45 |
Laundress (wash) |
Walworth, Surrey |
Albert J Steer |
Son |
14 |
|
Clerkenwell, Surrey |
Annie E Steer |
Dau |
6 |
|
Enfield, Middlesex |
(Note Clara’s occupation of “Laundress”, apparently Toy Making was no longer lucrative.)
36 Buglefield, Lee, London
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
Albert Steed |
Head |
23 |
Carman |
Clerkenwell, Surrey |
Fanny Steed |
Wife |
23 |
Five ???quin, Kent |
|
James Steed |
Father |
59 |
Carpenter |
Guildford, Surrey |
Clara Steed |
Mother |
55 |
Walworth, Surrey |
|
Annie E Steer |
Sister |
16 |
Tag Maker |
Enfield, Middlesex |
(Note the change of spelling to “Steed”. This may just be a one off on the 1901 Census (original) or they may have changed their name to Steed rather than Steer.)
ELLEN
GREEN
No record found for 1861 Census.
33 Crammer Road, Lambeth
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
Benjamin J Wright |
Head |
37 |
Corn Dealer |
London, Essex? |
Fanny M Wright |
Wife |
32 |
Brixton, Surrey |
|
Rawleigh Wright |
Son |
11 |
Scholar |
Langley, Wiltshire |
Sidney Wright |
Son |
9 |
Scholar |
Brixton, Surrey |
Albert J Wright |
Son |
3 |
Scholar |
Brixton, Surrey |
Ellen Green |
Serv |
22 |
General Servant |
Walworth, Surrey |
(This is only a possibility, no more evidence to corroborate.)
Crabble Street Pr House, River, Kent
Names
|
RtoH
|
Age
|
Occupation
|
Place
of Birth
|
Willshere Mannering |
Head |
40 |
Miller |
Dover, Kent |
May Day Mammering |
Sister |
34 |
Miller’s Sister |
Dover, Kent |
Ellen Green |
Serv |
22 |
Cook Domestic Servant |
Walworth, Surrey |
Ann Kimber |
Serv |
24 |
Housemaid |
Sheerness, Kent |
(This is only a possibility, no more evidence to corroborate.)
No
further records have been found