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John Kilby Green - Family History

 

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James Green

=

Sarah Day

Sarah Halliday?

Marriage = Oakham in Rutland

25 Aug 1815

John Kilby Green

1790-1860

Marriage =

Unknown

?? ??? 18??

Susannah Dimmock

1812?-1857

John Green?

1818-

Susannah Green?

1830?-

John Green

1832-1832

John Kilby Green (1)

1833-1833

Sarah Green

1835-

 

John Kilby Green (2)

1837-1891

 

 

George James Green

1838-1910

 

 

William Henry Green

1842-1846

 

Clara Green

1845-

Ellen Green

1848-

 

Phoebe Green

1851-

 

 

BIRTH OF THE INVENTOR

 

John Kilby Green was baptised on 2nd May 1790 at Ayot St Peter in rural Hertfordshire, the son of James Green and his wife Sarah.

His name was spelt with an “e” in Kilb(e)y, but this was the only time this spelling was used.

It is believed his birthday was 15th April 1790.

 

(Source Ayot St Peter Herts DP/11)

 

No other records have been found for James and Sarah Green, other than a possible marriage in Ayot St Peter in October 1785, between James Green and Sarah Day.

 

Ayott St Peter (cut-LR)

(Ayot St Peter, as engraved by JK Green)

 

ARRIVAL IN LONDON

 

In his interview with Henry Mayhew in 1850, William West stated that “a Prentice of the name of Green, who worked at Mr. Simkin's, an engraver in Denmark-court” had engraved for him. It is highly possible that Green was either apprenticed to West at some stage or worked for him. The fact that Green managed to produce the same works as West, but with an earlier date suggests that he had access to West’s drawings and engravings. When Green later claimed to be the “Original Inventor” he declared that he had established his business in 1808. Was this when he was with Mr Simkin’s or was this when he may have been with West. An apprenticeship usually lasted for 6 years and it would have been highly likely that Green commenced his apprenticeship at the age of 13 or 14, so if he really started his own business in 1808 he would only have been 18 and still in his apprenticeship period. I suspect that Green’s claim to have started in 1808 was a slight exaggeration and he more likely commenced business nearer 1810 or even 1811. Green’s first known works appear with an imprint date of 1811.

 

Green continued printing in London until 1814, with his last production “Tiger Horde”, which he produced in collaboration with Mr Slee, but soon afterwards JK Green disappeared. He did not return to the printing trade until 1832, when works started to appear again with the imprint of JK Green. Until very recently it had only been conjecture as to what happened in the “missing” years, but it now appears highly likely that Green joined the army and at some point was stationed near Rutland.

 

1st MARRIAGE

 

On the 25th August 1815 there was an entry for a marriage between John Kilby Green and Sarah Halliday at Oakham in Rutland. The coincidence is too much to be considered as any other John Kilby Green. The signature, although no comparison exists, is that of an educated man with a degree of flamboyance that stands out in the letter “K” (see above). Just the sort of person who could have been an engraver.

 

(Source Oakham DE2694/12)

 

Follow this with the birth a possible son, John Green, baptised at the same church and described as the son of John Green (a soldier) & wife Sarah.

The fact that this John Green was a soldier adds credence to the joining the army theory.

 

(Source Oakham DE2694/4)

 

After 1818 the trail for John Kilby Green runs cold. Nothing more is know of him until his re-appearance at 3 George Street in Walworth in 1832. (The search continues…)

 

What happened to wife Sarah and their son John is not known? Perhaps JK Green returned from overseas posting to find that his wife had possibly died and his son flown the nest. Perhaps he didn’t return to them at all and left them ignorant of his own fate.

 

2nd MARRIAGE

 

In 1832 we find John Kilby Green back in London and printing again. He was living at 3 George Street in Walworth, with his young bride Susannah Green, nee Dimmock, this assumes that he in fact married her. So far no marriage has been located. From the 1841 Census, Susannah was born outside of Surrey and the 1851 Census shown her to be born in Ipswich in Suffolk.

 

THE CHILDREN OF THE INVENTOR

 

From his first marriage it is believed there may have been just the one child, John. There is a Susannah Green that appears on the 1841 Census living with JK Green, but at the age of 11, she seemed that she was too old to be the daughter of the union between JK Green and Susannah Dimmock. However, his second marriage was far more productive with no less than ten children arriving on the scene. It would appear from the 1841 Census that Susannah Green (nee Dimmock) was only 25 years old. However I believe she was much nearer to being 29 years old, especially when we later learned that she was probably born 1812 being 45 when she died in 1857. This means that she would have been just 18 when the younger Susannah was born. As yet no baptism record has been has been found for Susannah. A baptismal record has been found for John Green in 1832 born to JK Green and Susannah his wife, so making it far more likely.

 

Camberwell, Newington, Walworth & Lambeth

 

Parish Record

Type

Church

Name

Date

Parents

Father’s Occupation

Address

Baptism

Camberwell

John Green

25th March 1832

John Kilby & Susannah Green

Engraver

Camberwell

 

Unfortunately this John Green junior died 17 months later. The burial records show the following entry:-.

 

Parish Record (Page 56 No. 443)

Type

Church

Name

Date

Address

Age

Burial

St Mary, Newington

John Green

30th June 1833

George Street

17 Months

 

 

Parish Record (Page 32 No.s 252 & 253)

Type

Church

Name

Date

Parents

Father’s Occupation

Address

Baptism

St Mary, Newington

Sarah Green

13th May 1835 (Born 19th October 1833)

John Kilvy & Susanna Green

Engraver

George Street (Brandon Street)

Baptism

St Mary, Newington

John Kilvy Green

13th May 1835 (Born 10th March 1835)

John Kilvy & Susanna Green

Engraver

George Street (Brandon Street)

 

Unfortunately this second John Kilby Green junior also died just four months later.

 

Parish Record (Page 56 No. 443 – same reference as John Green who died in 1833)

Type

Church

Name

Date

Address

Age

Burial

St Mary, Newington

John Kilby Green

24th July 1835

Bedford Street

4 Months 11 Days

 

Bedford Street must have been a short term residence as it was never listed on any of JK Green’s imprints.

 

It was common practice of the time, to name the next child after an earlier child that had died, so it came as no surprise to find a third John Kilby Green born to JK Green and his wife Susannah.

 

Parish Record (Page 93 No. 738)

Type

Church

Name

Date

Parents

Father’s Occupation

Address

Baptism

St Mary, Newington

John Kilby Green

30th June 1837 (Born 22nd September 1836)

John Kilby & Susanna Green

Engraver

Salisbury Place

 

1841 Census

1841 Census Extract HO107-1061-6 Folio 55

Lambeth Square, St Mary, Lambeth, Surrey

Names

Age

Occupation

Born in Surrey

John Green

50

Engraver

No

John Green

4

Yes

George Green

2

Yes

Susannah Green

25

No

Susannah Green

11

No

Sarah Green

7

Yes

 

This shows that there is a Susannah Green aged 11, therefore born about 1830. Because JK Green’s wife Susannah Green was only 25 in 1841 and even allowing for the rounding which took place in the 1841 Census (down to the nearest 5 years over the age of 15) Susannah must have been younger than 30. It is possible that this Susannah was their first child or maybe she was the child from his first marriage. Until we find the marriage of JK Green and Susannah we can’t be sure.

 

Parish Record (Page 174 No.s 1385, 1386 & 1387)

Type

Church

Name

Date

Parents

Father’s Occupation

Address

Baptism

St Mary, Newington

George James Green

12th October 1845 (Born 21st October 1838)

John Kilby & Susanna Green

Printer

Park Place, East Street

Baptism

St Mary, Newington

William Henry Green

12th October 1845 (Born 16th August 1842)

John Kilby & Susanna Green

Printer

Park Place, East Street

Baptism

St Mary, Newington

Clara Green

12th October 1845 (Born 10th April 1845)

John Kilby & Susanna Green

Printer

Park Place, East Street

 

GRO Index Entry

Type

Quarter/Year

Name

Age

District

Ref

Birth

Sept 1842

William Henry Green

N/A

Lambeth

4 293

Death

Sept 1846

William Henry Green

N/A

Lambeth

4 247

 

Parish Record (Page 88 No. 698)

Type

Church

Name

Date

Address

Age

Burial

St Mary, Newington

William Kilby Green

5th August 1846

Thurlow Place, Walworth Common

4 Years

 

William Henry Green, seems to have had a posthumous name change to William Kilby Green.

 

On 10th April 1845 Clara Green was born at 16 Park Place, East Street, Walworth.

Father = John Kilby Green – Printer

Mother = Susannah Green formerly Dimmock

Informant was John Kilby Green – Father – 16 Park Place, East Street, Walworth

(Source Birth Certificate)

 

Parish Record (Page 194)

Type

Church

Name

Date

Parents

Father’s Occupation

Address

Baptism

St Mary, Newington

Ellen Green

15th November 1848 (Born 17th September 1848)

John Kilby & Susannah Green

Engraver

Thurlow Place

 

1851 Census

1851 Census Extract HO107-1567 Folio 619 Page 12

9 Thurlow Place, Walworth, Surrey

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

John Kilbey Green

Head

61

Historical Engraver

Ayot-St-Peter, Hertfordshire

Susanna Green

Wife

40

Ipswich, Suffolk

Sarah Green

Daur

12

Scholar at home

Walworth

John Green

Son

10

Scholar at home

Walworth

George Green

Son

8

Scholar at home

Walworth

Clara Green

Daur

4

Walworth

Ellen Green

Daur

2

Walworth

 

(All the children seem to have lost a few years, as their ages shown do not tally with dates of birth or the 1841 census. It is suspected that either this is a transcription error or more likely, JK Green was a little unclear when filling in the Census Return.)

 

Parish Record (Page 164 No. 1309)

Type

Church

Name

Date

Parents

Father’s Occupation

Address

Baptism

St Mary, Newington

Phoebe Green

25th December 1851 (Born 18th November 1851)

John Kilby & Susannah Green

Printer

Thurlow Place

 

 

John Kilby Green junior appears to have joined the Navy in August 1854 for a ten year stint aboard HMS Waterloo. This explains why I have so far failed to find him on the 1861 Census.

 

Death

 

Parish Record (Page 64-Entry No.509)

Type

Church

Name

Address

Date

Age

Burial

St Mary, Newington

Susannah Green

Thurlow Place

26th August 1857

45

 

On 21st August 1857 Susannah Green died aged 45, of 9 Thurlow Place.

Her occupation was given as “Wife of John Green – Copper Plate Engraver”

The Cause of death was given as Bronchitis (3 months).

Informant to the Death was  “John Green, present at the death of 8 Thurlow Place, Walworth”

(It appears odd that the address given by John Green was 8 Thurlow Place?)

(Source – Susannah Green - Death Certificate)

 

 

On 29th February 1860 John Kilby Green died at 29 Thurlow Place, Walworth Common. He was 70 years old.

Cause of death was Natural Paralysis & General Decay

There was a coroner’s inquest (held on 6th March 1860), which was surprising for such an ordinary death of a 70 year old.

(Source – John Kilby Green - Death Certificate)

 

 

John Kilby Green - Family History

Life after JK Green

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1861 Census

1861 Census Extract RG9-337 Folio 124 Page 42

6 Chatham Place, Newington, Surrey

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

George James Green

Head

22

Printer Copperplate

Surrey, Southwark

 

The Banns were published to announce the marriage of George James Green and Jessie Emma Reynolds on 19th January 1862, however no marriage took place immediately afterwards.

Why no marriage took place at this time is not known, but it may have had something to do with the birth or expected birth of George James Green (junior), which took place around 1862 to 1863.

 

1871 Census

1871 Census Extract RG10-613 Folio ? Page 24

29 Chatham Street, St Mary, Newington, Surrey

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

George J Green

Head

31

Printer Co.Plate

Surrey, Newington

Jessie E Green

Wife

30

Middlesex, St Clement

George J Green

Son

8

Scholar

Surrey, Newington

Alfred E J Green

Son

4

Scholar

Surrey, Newington

Jessie C Green

Dau

14m

 

Surrey, Newington

 

The Banns were published to announce the marriage of George James Green and Jessie Emma Reynolds on 14th, 21st & 28th May 1871, this time the marriage did go ahead.

 

Marriage

 

1871 M - GJ Green - JE Reynolds (Cut).jpg

 

Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of St Mary, Lambeth in the County of Surrey

Date

Names

Age

Condition

Occupation

Abode

Father

Father’s Occupation

14th July

George James Green

Full Age

Bachelor

Printer

East Street

John Kilby Green (dec’d)

Engraver

1871

Jessie Emma Reynolds

Full Age

Spinster

 

East Street

Abraham Ives Reynolds (dec’d)

Printer

 

(Source – Marriage Certificate)

 

Charles Frederick Green’s birth certificate. He was born on 7th January 1881 at 100 Rodney Road, Trinity Newington in the County of Surrey. His father was George James Green, a commercial traveller and Jessie was shown as Jessie Emma Green, formerly Reynolds.

 

1881 Census

Extract of 1881 Census Return (RG11-0550 Folio No.59)

100 Rodney Road, St Mary, Newington, Surrey

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

George James Green

Head

42

Newsagent

Newington

Jessie E Green

Wife

40

Strand, Middlesex

George J Green

Son

18

Rivetter, Boiler Maker

Newington

Alfred E J Green

Son

14

Printer’s Machine Boy

Newington

Jessie C Green

Dau

12

Scholar

Newington

James Green

Son

9

Scholar

Newington

William Green

Son

7

Scholar

Newington

Henry Green

Son

5

Scholar

Newington

John K Green

Son

3

 

Newington

Charles Green

Son

3m

 

Newington

 

 

1891 Census

Extract of 1891 Census Return (RG12-0363 Page No.12)

98 Rodney Road, St Mary, Newington, Surrey

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

George James Green

Head

58

Newsagent

Walworth

Jessie E Green

Wife

50

St Clement Danes

Alfred E J Green

Son

24

Printer’s Machine Minder

Walworth

James R Green

Son

23

Printer’s Machine Minder

Walworth

Jessie C Green

Dau

20

Boot Fitter

Walworth

William Green

Son

16

Printer Layer On

Walworth

Henry Green

Son

14

Printer Layer On

Walworth

John K Green

Son

13

Printer Reader

Walworth

Charles Green

Son

10

Scholar

Walworth

 

1901 Census

Extract of 1901 Census Return (RG13-0381 Folio 61 Page No.11)

98 & 100 Rodney Road, St Mary, Newington, Surrey

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

George J Green

Head

62

Newsagent

London, Newington

Jessie E Green

Wife

60

London, Strand

James R Green

Son

28

Factory Machine Minder

London, Newington

John K Green

Son

23

Printer Compositor

London, Newington

Charles F Green

Son

20

Factory Machine Monder

London, Newington

 

Death

George James Green died on 8th November 1910

(Source – Death Certificate)

 

 

JOHN KILBY GREEN (junior)

 

In August 1854, JK Green (junior) joined the Navy aboard HMS Waterloo on a minimum of ten years service.

No record found for 1861 Census.

 

GRO Index Entry

Type

Quarter/Year

Name

Age

District

Ref

Marriage

March 1811

John Kilby Green = Louisa Elizabeth Feast

N/A

Holborn

1b 754

 

Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of City Road Chapel, Holborn in the County of London

Date

Names

Age

Condition

Occupation

Abode

Father

Father’s Occupation

24th January

John Kilby Green

Bachelor

Printer

John Kilby Green (dec’d)

Engraver

1871

Louisa Elizabeth Feast

Spinster

 

 

1871 Census

1871 Census Extract RG10-0405 Folio 4 Page 2

4 New Mint Buildings, St Lukes, Middlesex

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

John K Green

Head

29

Shopman

Lock Field, Walworth

Louisa Green

Wife

27

Tower St, City

 

1881 Census

1881 Census Extract RG11-0322 Folio 38 Page 21

4 Castle Street, Middlesex

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

John Green

Head

40

Whitewasher

None given

Louise Green

Wife

32

None given

John Green

Son

9

 

None given

Matilda Green

Son

6

 

None given

George Green

Son

4

 

None given

Alfred Green

Son

2

 

None given

 

Parish Record

Type

Church

Name

Date

Parents

Father’s Occupation

Address

Baptism

Holy Trinity, Lincoln Inn Fields

Susannah Green

28th July 1889 (Born 12th July 1889

John Kilby & Louisa Green

Toy Maker

19 Shelton Street

 

GRO Index Entry

Type

Quarter/Year

Name

Age

District

Ref

Death

March 1891

John Kilbey Green

49

Strand

1b 481

 

1891 Census

1891 Census Extract RG12-0214 Folio ?? Page 36

8 Russell Court, St Martins in the Field, Middlesex

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

Louise E Green

Wife

48

Charwoman

Cambridgeshire

John K Green

Son

19

Hawker

London, St Luke

George A Green

Son

14

Dipper

London, St Luke

Mary Green

Dau

7

 

London, St Luke

Susanna Green

Dau

1

 

London, St Luke

 

CLARA GREEN

 

No record found for 1861 Census.

 

1871 Census

1871 Census Extract RG10-0375 Folio ?? Page 51

Charlotte Buildings, Holborn, Middlesex

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

James Steer

Head

27

Bricklayer’s Labourer (unemployed)

Guildford, Surrey

Clara Steer

Wife

25

Toy Maker

Walworth, Surrey

 

(Note Clara’s occupation of “Toy Maker”)

 

GRO Index Entry

Type

Quarter/Year

Name

Age

District

Ref

Marriage

Dec 1871

Clara Green = James Steer

N/A

Holborn

1b 999

 

 

Although shown as married on the 1871 Census, they didn’t actually marry until the final quarter of 1871. This appears to be the norm around this time, as I have found more than 10 occurrences of such practices.

 

1881 Census

1881 Census Extract RG11-0193 Folio 37 Page 13

250 Grays Inn Road, London, Middlesex

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

James Steer

Head

39

General Labourer

Guildford, Surrey

Clara Steer

Wife

35

Toy Maker

Walworth, Surrey

Albert J Steer

Son

4

Scholar

Clerkenwell, Surrey

 

(Note Clara’s occupation of “Toy Maker”)

 

1891 Census

1891 Census Extract RG12-0626 Folio 97 Page 53

25 Sultan Street, Beckenham, Kent

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

James Steer

Head

49

Labourer

Guildford, Surrey

Clara Steer

Wife

45

Laundress (wash)

Walworth, Surrey

Albert J Steer

Son

14

 

Clerkenwell, Surrey

Annie E Steer

Dau

6

 

Enfield, Middlesex

 

(Note Clara’s occupation of “Laundress”, apparently Toy Making was no longer lucrative.)

 

1901 Census

1901 Census Extract RG13-0547 Folio 20 Page 32

36 Buglefield, Lee, London

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

Albert Steed

Head

23

Carman

Clerkenwell, Surrey

Fanny Steed

Wife

23

Five ???quin, Kent

James Steed

Father

59

Carpenter

Guildford, Surrey

Clara Steed

Mother

55

Walworth, Surrey

Annie E Steer

Sister

16

Tag Maker

Enfield, Middlesex

 

 (Note the change of spelling to “Steed”. This may just be a one off on the 1901 Census (original) or they may have changed their name to Steed rather than Steer.)

 

ELLEN GREEN

 

No record found for 1861 Census.

 

1871 Census

1871 Census Extract RG10-0677 Folio 90 Page 4

33 Crammer Road, Lambeth

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

Benjamin J Wright

Head

37

Corn Dealer

London, Essex?

Fanny M Wright

Wife

32

Brixton, Surrey

Rawleigh Wright

Son

11

Scholar

Langley, Wiltshire

Sidney Wright

Son

9

Scholar

Brixton, Surrey

Albert J Wright

Son

3

Scholar

Brixton, Surrey

Ellen Green

Serv

22

General Servant

Walworth, Surrey

(This is only a possibility, no more evidence to corroborate.)

 

1881 Census

1881 Census Extract RG11-1007 Folio 33 Page 5

Crabble Street Pr House, River, Kent

Names

RtoH

Age

Occupation

Place of Birth

Willshere Mannering

Head

40

Miller

Dover, Kent

May Day Mammering

Sister

34

Miller’s Sister

Dover, Kent

Ellen Green

Serv

22

Cook Domestic Servant

Walworth, Surrey

Ann Kimber

Serv

24

Housemaid

Sheerness, Kent

 (This is only a possibility, no more evidence to corroborate.)

 

No further records have been found

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